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 Post subject: The other side of the 2*2 issue
PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:28 am 
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I have to say I'm not an entirely happy bunny with this new 2*2 thing.

I've had my 1 Private Island plus 3 Scenics for a while now - a total of 60,000 prims for $135/month, giving a cost of 0.225 cents per prim (plus the fact that only I can rezz on 3/4 of my land).

A 2*2 would give me the same amount of land, with 48000 prims, for $85/month, at a cost of 0.177 cents per prim, and anyone I allowed could rezz anywhere on the entire landmass.

So I pay an extra $50/month for the same amount of land, admittedly with 12000 more prims (which I'd probably never use anyway) but with restrictions on who can rezz some of them, and the only reason I can't convert is because I made use of the much-vaunted IW prim-limits at the time to build something huge on the Private Island (and it was those prim limits that helped lure me here in the first place).

I know time that moves on and things change along the way, but perhaps you can understand why I might feel somewhat aggrieved...
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 Post subject: Re: The other side of the 2*2 issue
PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:42 am 
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Has no idea why you are feeling aggrieved... 2 x 2 have only just happened.. the setup you have is what was available at the time you did it... like you say... things change.. if you no longer like that set up then put in a support ticket and change it...

simple really :)



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 Post subject: Re: The other side of the 2*2 issue
PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:08 am 
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Jewel Eiren wrote:
if you no longer like that set up then put in a support ticket and change it...

I suggest you read my OP again :
Arkady Arkright wrote:
...and the only reason I can't convert is because I made use of the much-vaunted IW prim-limits at the time to build something huge on the Private Island...

Not quite that simple...



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 Post subject: Re: The other side of the 2*2 issue
PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:26 am 
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Ark

Other folk are managing to strip their 'main' sims back to the required number of prims for a conversion... perhaps you should ask them for advice..



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 Post subject: Re: The other side of the 2*2 issue
PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:59 am 
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I would drop the scenics & convert the main to 2x2

It is easy to downgrade the prims, I had a 336 prim build yesterday that came in at 96 when I converted it to mesh. I am doing that with all my builds on the extra 3 sims I just got ;)



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 Post subject: Re: The other side of the 2*2 issue
PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 4:11 am 
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I seen your main island and it's beautiful.

But people here are right. Converting much of the build would save tons.

I think it's worth looking into.

For our prim limits, mesh is a game changer and the reason I did convert. In contrast, with using mesh the right way, I can do four times more here on a 12k sim than on a 15k SL sim. So the prim load is still much better.



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 Post subject: Re: The other side of the 2*2 issue
PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 4:21 am 
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I guess it would be hard to make the decision to keep what you have at a higher cost for equal land but more prims OR figure out a way to convert for equal land, less prims, better rez rights and ability to offer to others as well as less pay.

I'm on mainland and although the 2x2 is *very* tempting, I like mainland too much. I have less prims then a private already, less controls over the land itself (ie terrain texture can't be changed), no ability to rent parcels w/out group deeding, no estate management rights, etc), pay only $15 less then a private and for the very large land barons--they actually pay less then what I do because of the multi-region discount while some will pay equal to me but they retain all the private isle rights that I will never see or experience by owning mainland.

It's one of those situations where you have to decide 'is it worth it.' versus 'is it fair.'

It's a fair deal considering cost, land mass and the ability to spread those prims out across the large land mass. But it's not going to be for everyone. That doesn't make it 'less fair'. Just makes it a non-viable option for some.

oh and editing to add...mainland pays about $25 less then the 2x2 who retain all the private isle rights and abilities and more land mass with the same amount of prims as a single private isle and the cost is only $10 (or is it $15?) more then private isle.


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 Post subject: Re: The other side of the 2*2 issue
PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 4:28 am 
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Actually max discount is 15 per private but that's beside the point.

I hear a lot that want to convert but still doubt or think their sim cannot be livable when prims need to be downsized to 12k or less on that original sim.

Folks we pridw ourselves in being a helpful community... so... post if you have doubts and let us help you as a community...

I already saw a few sims that I told the owner that it can be done amd gave them tips on how. At least 2 have now converted that I know of...

Just let us know...



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 Post subject: Re: The other side of the 2*2 issue
PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 4:33 am 
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Benski wrote:
Actually max discount is 15 per private but that's beside the point.




Oh good, then they changed it and I didn't realize. Used to be able to get it down, it was either $5 or $10 below the mainland monthly payment of $60.00 tier. Certain people may remember, because at that time, I owned 4 regions between the two mainlands and threw an ever-loving fit on the boards and even in Ele's IM about 'fair' as, at the time, I was renting parcels and losing renters because private isles suddenly were able to offer cost lower then myself which is was barely nothing to begin with.

(I was *really* good at throwing fits at one time *nods*)


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 Post subject: Re: The other side of the 2*2 issue
PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:49 am 
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Ok Ark, I did this one specially for you:
(and all others that still doubt it can be done)

What the image shows is 40 cubes linked together. (left set)

I then converted that to mesh, the easy way... (center set)
I saved as collada
Upload into inworldz as mesh

The SketchUp one, no fear! I didn't build it in SketchUp this is what I did: (right set)

I saved as collada
import collada into sketchup 2015
immediatly exported same model as collada out of SketchUp
Upload into inworldz.

I no did not touch any tools! really! believe me on me blue kitteh eyes!!

Here's the results:

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Ok why does it say 9.1 (10) and 2.3 (3)?
Simple, the exact impact is 9.1 for those 40 cubes... but rounded up to nearest full number when rezzed inworld: 10.
Same store for the SketchUp one.

If you link 2 sets together it would be: 2.3+2.3=4.6 rounded up to 5.



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